Comments on: Nothing Replaces Knowing the Fights

By: slice

slice — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:58:36 +0000

Agree, you may know the fight on one toon but going to another one, you may not realize what you could do in the same fight. like maging it up…spellsteal? counterspell? huh?

As opposed to bubble, bubble, PoH, PoM, bubble, penance, penance etc.

By: Saga

Saga — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:39:51 +0000

I will agree that I rather take people on their alts than complete randoms. While you might occassionally be lucky enough to get someone else’s alt in as a random, the odds are it’s going to be someone who got carried through (if they said they did it) and don’t really know the fight.

While playing a new role means the fight changes slightly in how you do it personally, I would definitely take that over someone who doesn’t know the fight at all. I think the learning curve is a lot smaller if you know the fight and just need to learn the extra little things for your role.

By: Rakkar

Rakkar — Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:13:57 +0000

You can actually use the green clouds to your advantage: I’m placing one half of my Tron’s behind in it when tanking or put the cloud between me and Toxitron so that my slime has to go through it. Except that I don’t get targetted for such abilities since Anoob in ToC…
On your PuGers: Even better than not knowing a fight from your role’s perspective or at all is not knowing your class at all… “What? I can tranq on my rogue? Nice! But WTH is tranq?” Maybe this effect is increased by using english terms when talking to Germans, but I noticed them adding a tranq to Shiv by myself, even though I’m not playing my rogue anymore.
Gawd, I hate them suckers.

By: Falahla

Falahla — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:05:09 +0000

Ok- I’m going to ‘fess up. I don’t know that I was fully aware the Toxitron green cloud just increased damage. I fail again! I don’t have a GTFO addon but after a moment or two I always move out of the green cloud. Oh well- I learned something new today : )
I’m sorry it was such a trying night! Log- if you get your alts to high 60′s, I can come tank on Imbuff. I won’t promise I’ll be stellar right off the bat, but I do learn quickly and we can play “let Imbuff die!”

By: Gromitdaddy

Gromitdaddy — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:54:39 +0000

I find more and more that once we’ve done a fight a few times, i have a bit more time to try to work out what other roles are doing, but it’s hard when you’ve got nothing but boss underpArts filling your vision. But that’s why i leave raid leading to good players

By: ReversionLFG

ReversionLFG — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:17:09 +0000

What is also interesting is the number of people that ‘know it’ but don’t really know it. Meaning they have been with a group that downed the boss but it was more or less an accident. At best they are just following directions without knowing why and at worse they are being blatantly ‘carried’.
Another aspect of people not knowing things is what we ran into last night. That is someone knowing it very well on one role but having no idea how another role does the fight. That one can take me by surprise. As a raid leader, strategist and someone who does three roles (ranged and melee are different) and sits near someone doing the third, I know all the aspects of all the fights. I have to. I guess it is possible, in theory, for a raid leader to not know what other classes or roles have to do… but not in a progression raid. Well I digress. That would be another whole post sometime… maybe….

My point is when you are moving people between roles you can’t assume they know ANYTHING or you are going to get burned.

By: Troutwort

Troutwort — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:50:55 +0000

Ouch. Sorry to hear that. One of these weeks I’ll bring in Ross or Sousa to help DPS (or heal?? wtf?) to that midweek raid. I probably would have come on Ross last night, but it was volunteering night.

By: slice

slice — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:54:28 +0000

knowing the fight is one of the most important things before coming to raid. Its shocking how many people do not know fights.

By: Logarithm

Logarithm — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:01:02 +0000

I’m working on it. Actually I’m working on several. Maybe after I get this second set to 60 (hopefully this weekend), you guys will have to run me through some dungeons and help me get through the Outlands. I’ll level either the mage, druid, or hunter next.

By: Analogue

Analogue — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:58:27 +0000

Unfortunately healers were the only thing we were set on – had Cyla on a priest, Share on her druid and me. You need a dps alt.