Comments on: Does a 10 man raid need a formal loot system?

By: Analogue

Analogue — Fri, 06 May 2011 20:12:42 +0000

If you have your BiS bracers and buy the other mats I’ll give it to you before rAid time.

By: Gromdred

Gromdred — Fri, 06 May 2011 19:51:38 +0000

Hey! I might be able to use str for bracers

By: Jen

Jen — Fri, 06 May 2011 17:02:20 +0000

We use DKP and to me it’s the fairest and least drama-prone system. Everyone’s responsible for him/herself and they can spend ‘their’ DKP as they see fit, not rely on the RNG of rolls. And, since we’re a raiding guild first and foremost, my/our focus is to reward the regular raiders, those whom we can count on, and not the people who show up once in a blue moon when they decide a raid would be nice. With DKP, those people only get loot once everyone else has it.

As for BoEs, we bid on them as usual for main spec (i.e. DKP) and if no one needs them for MS then we bank them. Anyone can buy them from the bank for half AH price for their offspec or their alt, otherwise we sell them off.

We’ve been using this system for a year and we’ve never had problems… and I don’t need to remember everyone’s BiS list or slap wrists if someone gets greedy.

By: Mangara

Mangara — Fri, 06 May 2011 12:08:16 +0000

I think the main factor for 10-man raids is how regular your group is. I’m currently running with nearly the same group every week and we use the same system as you do. It would feel silly to set up and maintain a DKP system for this.

My previous guild was a different matter. We had very irregular attendance; a few people would show up every raid, most showed up one or two raids per week and some only occasionally raided. In these situations, I think it makes perfect sense to have a loot system that keeps track of people’s attendance and rewards the regulars.

By: Nina

Nina — Fri, 06 May 2011 11:28:50 +0000

We have pretty much the same system. There’s one person in the raid who’s quite loot-greedy and has caused a little bit of friction, but generally we remind her that she’s better geared than anyone else right now and shame is enough to make her back off. Usually.

By: koalabear21

koalabear21 — Thu, 05 May 2011 20:54:26 +0000

SR uses a similar ruleset that you guys have: Main spec, then off spec then DE.

With BoEs if they are not an upgrade for a current raider’s main spec then they are auctioned off and the money is put into the guild bank.

Our guild bank provides enchants, gems, flasks and food to our raiders. Repairs are provided to those that donate gold to the gbank (500g a week). We have several officers who are big AH PvPers so they keep the bank supplied with the mats we need.

Back in Wrath when we were pushing 25s (or multiple 10s) we used EPGP. It worked for what we were doing but was a PITA when we had puggers. As you said it also favors people who are always there.

I prefer what we use now to any point system.

By: ReversionLFM

ReversionLFM — Thu, 05 May 2011 20:26:12 +0000

We had a slight issue in the other raid a few weeks ago with a BOE. That was only because some of us were not clear on what the policy was once that got re-explained things settled down just fine. The BOE policy between the two guild raids is a bit different so that can cause some confusion.
The difference in BOE policy between the raids is that ‘our’ run lets everyone roll for ANY use once it is clear that no one present can use it. The other raid lets everyone roll for main then off then for any actively raiding alts (alts that are MAIN raiders in an active raid) and after that they AH it and spilt the money.
Consistency in policy can head off a lot of aggravation. People that know the policy will be happy with the outcome. But if someone thinks they know it but it turns out some loophole snatches a drop away from them (in their mind) then they get grumpy. Even grumpier than if they had just better understood the policy in advance. Consistency is key. Clear communication is also key.

By: Troutwort

Troutwort — Thu, 05 May 2011 20:12:24 +0000

Fortunately we do have a great guild for this, thanks in part to raid leaders being clear about the loot rules up front. I have seen issues with BoE but really I think that you are handling it the right way, everyone gets to roll, highest wins, do with it as you like. That’s the best solution, then no one gets upset.

By: Analogue

Analogue — Thu, 05 May 2011 19:25:48 +0000

I actually power leveled enchanting so that I could guarantee that we didn’t waste maelstrom crystals. Problem is right now everyone who wants a weapon enchant has one – and I have maelstrom crystals sitting in my bags! I’ve got two of the bracer enchants but so far we haven’t had much call for haste or strength – well I actually Hasted my own after getting the chimaeron bracers, the other week when I was reoptimizing my gear. Since I went up about 1.5k hps after that nobody seemed to mind…

By: Analogue

Analogue — Thu, 05 May 2011 19:23:58 +0000

Yeah I’ve seen that happen more than once. It’s really nice to have that kind of loot drama and not the other kind!