Comments on: Wait… what?! Fail bear in 4.0.3

By: How to work your Bear in 4.0.1 (and 4.0.3) « Looking For More

How to work your Bear in 4.0.1 (and 4.0.3) « Looking For More — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:04:39 +0000

[...] FLASH! Bear tanking got a lot more nerf than the patch notes claimed. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)How I generate AoE threat as a heroic [...]

By: Dominus

Dominus — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:48:00 +0000

“Like the final boss in Stonecore” – haha, yea tell me about that one. I was convinced the adds ignored aggro and had a heavy discussion about them before the pull yesterday.

“Halls of Origination there’s a set of trash that spawn half a dozen little lashers that ignore swipe” – haven’t been there yet, trying it tonight if I have time.

“I don’t get surprised by things not doing the level of agro I expect” – Me neither, I was suspecting something was up, but until I read this (and the links to the us forums) I didn’t know swipe was bugged. In dutch they say a warned man counts for two, so I guess my guild will have two bears in their party tonight! *roar*

By: ReversionLFM

ReversionLFM — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:41:05 +0000

I think some of those have not agro table…. it is hard to say though. I keep seeing things like the ones you mention, that ignore my agro and go for people, and I have to wonder if they have a mechanic that causes that or if it is the pathetic bear aoe just getting ignored.

By: ReversionLFM

ReversionLFM — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:38:30 +0000

Yeah no kidding. Last night we did GB and I did not really have any issues. Now that I have firmly identified the problem I don’t get surprised by things not doing the level of agro I expect. Once they buff us back, even a little, things will feel great.

Still, the next time a pally tells me how utterly easy these new ones are to tank… grrrr

By: Analogue

Analogue — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:33:09 +0000

The problem is certain dungeon fights will spawn waves of adds that Reversion swipes at, they ignore him and I pull aggro from healing. Like the final boss in Stonecore. Yeah those are to some extent not designed to be tanked but it’s frustrating when they run straight at me. Or in Halls of Origination there’s a set of trash that spawn half a dozen little lashers that ignore swipe, run over and attack someone else who may not even have been AOEing. All things we can handle, but all annoying. That said we ran an instance last night and now that we know what’s going on it’s much easier. Of course Reversion was managing before but now that he knows exactly what is wrong he can expect it.

By: Dominus

Dominus — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:59:48 +0000

I’m not having HUGE issues holding AoE aggro on my bear (now 84), just requires attention to Omen and tabbing between targets alot (20k threat lead = switch target).

With marking skull and X, and having trash, I don’t have many problems, unless the dps start with heavy AoE, or the healer decides to leave me at 2k hp from max hp and puts a HoT on me during my pull.

I don’t have tanking experience at 81 and up with other classes, but my 79 DK tank is a AoE tanking God compared to how my druid feels and to be honest I don’t think that this will change much when I get him to the new dungeons in cataclysm.

When doing normal runs on my mage with either the warrior or dk tanking guildies the failings of bears are noticeble. I can start AoE whenever I want and hit any (not skull) target with 2 arcane blasts before I need to switch target, where if I’d been on my bear and one dps attacks a random target (not skull) I’d have to taunt and focus on that mob a bit.

In short, it’s manageble (though I do wonder about Heroics, in normal dungeons losing aggro for a bit doesn’t really matter), but it’s no where near the other tanking classes. But honestly I don’t mind if they take a few weeks before fixing this… if they take their time, we’ll get used to it, then after the fix we’ll feel like AoE Gods

Domi

By: Analogue

Analogue — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:45:57 +0000

My perspective might be screwed but although a bear tank is what I run with the most, and so feel the most comfortable with, it just seems like I don’t see many bears out there. Other than Reversion, all the druids I know are resto and/or dps players.

The health pools at 85, even in basic greens, are pretty decent and Reversion is amazing with cooldowns so it’s not a problem there but I see how it could be. I think it could be similar to DK tanks, where if they’re good and use cooldowns they are very solid but if they don’t use cooldowns they are really squishy.

By: Ali

Ali — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:38:30 +0000

Low level bears that I have healed (a friend included) have been having the worst time in instances. I really, really hope it gets better.

I don’t recall having this much trouble keeping a bear tank up before 4.0.1. Of course, I don’t see many bears anymore, but when I do, holy crap, to go from full health to dead in a matter of 1-2 seconds is too much! (And this is a tank with blue gear and a few greens, no shmancy BOA’s)

Aggro is a problem, their squishiness is a problem, my mana is a problem. /sigh

I’m trying really hard to do well on my priest, but low level right now is so tough.

(And on a side note, I’ve played a disc priest to 80 before, as well as all other healing classes, except a paladin, so I am not new to the disco-bubble scene, or how to heal different tanks)