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		<title>By: Analogue</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1228</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 02:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NaNoWriMo slogan is &quot;Not Plot? No Problem!&quot; but yeah, I hear you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NaNoWriMo slogan is &#8220;Not Plot? No Problem!&#8221; but yeah, I hear you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bristal</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bristal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see the development team &quot;decision&quot; about a new treeform coming from a midnight conversation about how to get more players to heal. Treeform is a very old, Vanilla-WoW type skin and &quot;improving&quot; that was likely just one of a huge list of recommendations that went to an art designer that spent weeks doing it. He (or she) likely had a couple of ideas and maybe personally liked the &quot;beefier&quot; model so it just got passed up the line.

The conversation about who plays it and identifies with it likely never even got considered.

The marketing group are likely more gender-sensitive. But seriously, do you think they have any impact on small details like treeform?

I&#039;ve committed to my wife to doing NaNoWriMo and I&#039;m starting to freak out...

Plot? Characters? Huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the development team &#8220;decision&#8221; about a new treeform coming from a midnight conversation about how to get more players to heal. Treeform is a very old, Vanilla-WoW type skin and &#8220;improving&#8221; that was likely just one of a huge list of recommendations that went to an art designer that spent weeks doing it. He (or she) likely had a couple of ideas and maybe personally liked the &#8220;beefier&#8221; model so it just got passed up the line.</p>
<p>The conversation about who plays it and identifies with it likely never even got considered.</p>
<p>The marketing group are likely more gender-sensitive. But seriously, do you think they have any impact on small details like treeform?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve committed to my wife to doing NaNoWriMo and I&#8217;m starting to freak out&#8230;</p>
<p>Plot? Characters? Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the tree form comes from a large helping of dumb. I can&#039;t imagine what they were thinking - first removing the old form, then giving us... this. They probably don&#039;t care, to be honest. We can just glyph the old one and I doubt they&#039;d have time to redo it, so they said &quot;fuck it&quot;.

I&#039;m sure I&#039;d be more sensitive to things, but it&#039;s not (at least I think so) because I&#039;m a woman, it&#039;s because I tend to look at all possible alternatives. (Some call it fretting without any reason... oh well.) We have a name for this in Romanian - &quot;the mother of the wounded&quot; (kinda like &quot;champion for the underdogs&quot;).

I do agree with one thing: mini pets! I do know a few guys who collect them, but they&#039;re mostly doing it for the achievement points. We girls squee over them :D (Although I also know women who don&#039;t give a damn either.) Either way, the day the moonkin pets are in the store, me and the boyfriend are getting one each!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the tree form comes from a large helping of dumb. I can&#8217;t imagine what they were thinking &#8211; first removing the old form, then giving us&#8230; this. They probably don&#8217;t care, to be honest. We can just glyph the old one and I doubt they&#8217;d have time to redo it, so they said &#8220;fuck it&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be more sensitive to things, but it&#8217;s not (at least I think so) because I&#8217;m a woman, it&#8217;s because I tend to look at all possible alternatives. (Some call it fretting without any reason&#8230; oh well.) We have a name for this in Romanian &#8211; &#8220;the mother of the wounded&#8221; (kinda like &#8220;champion for the underdogs&#8221;).</p>
<p>I do agree with one thing: mini pets! I do know a few guys who collect them, but they&#8217;re mostly doing it for the achievement points. We girls squee over them <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  (Although I also know women who don&#8217;t give a damn either.) Either way, the day the moonkin pets are in the store, me and the boyfriend are getting one each!</p>
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		<title>By: Troutwort</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1223</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be curious to see if their marketing teams include women.  I would hope so, but maybe not?  Perhaps they aren&#039;t interested in increasing their female player base, but if you ask me, it might be a smart move.  I would wager a bet that from a sales standpoint, novelty in game items may be more tempting to a female player base (in-game pets, mounts, etc.)  While I realize that comment may be completely generalized and potentially sexist, my guess is that cute pandas and other minipets that could be purchased might draw a greater percentage of the female player base to spend another $10.  Perhaps not--I&#039;m no marketing specialist.  I mean, I still like cute mini-pets---but I know that many of my male counterparts could really care less about things that don&#039;t increase their ePeen, I mean DPS, no I guess I mean ePeen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be curious to see if their marketing teams include women.  I would hope so, but maybe not?  Perhaps they aren&#8217;t interested in increasing their female player base, but if you ask me, it might be a smart move.  I would wager a bet that from a sales standpoint, novelty in game items may be more tempting to a female player base (in-game pets, mounts, etc.)  While I realize that comment may be completely generalized and potentially sexist, my guess is that cute pandas and other minipets that could be purchased might draw a greater percentage of the female player base to spend another $10.  Perhaps not&#8211;I&#8217;m no marketing specialist.  I mean, I still like cute mini-pets&#8212;but I know that many of my male counterparts could really care less about things that don&#8217;t increase their ePeen, I mean DPS, no I guess I mean ePeen.</p>
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		<title>By: Analogue</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If part of your job was signing off on the look and feel of things, would you have a bit more sensitivity and say, well, that doesn&#039;t bug me but I can see it might? I&#039;m very non-feminist. I don&#039;t get easily offended by sexist things - I&#039;m a programmer myself. I agree with your boyfriend that there are a lot of women &quot;programmers&quot; who get by on their gender rather than their knowledge and I hate that. That&#039;s part of why Blizzard doesn&#039;t have many female programmers. Also a lot of other factors. I&#039;ve talked about them before. Games programming is not friendly to a woman who wants a family. Period, end of conversation.

Still, the fact is the new tree form has a beard, is stuck on  a freakin&#039; male orc skeleton - it&#039;s not gender neutral, it&#039;s very male. And they didn&#039;t see that as a problem. At all. Because....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If part of your job was signing off on the look and feel of things, would you have a bit more sensitivity and say, well, that doesn&#8217;t bug me but I can see it might? I&#8217;m very non-feminist. I don&#8217;t get easily offended by sexist things &#8211; I&#8217;m a programmer myself. I agree with your boyfriend that there are a lot of women &#8220;programmers&#8221; who get by on their gender rather than their knowledge and I hate that. That&#8217;s part of why Blizzard doesn&#8217;t have many female programmers. Also a lot of other factors. I&#8217;ve talked about them before. Games programming is not friendly to a woman who wants a family. Period, end of conversation.</p>
<p>Still, the fact is the new tree form has a beard, is stuck on  a freakin&#8217; male orc skeleton &#8211; it&#8217;s not gender neutral, it&#8217;s very male. And they didn&#8217;t see that as a problem. At all. Because&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was refering more to the part about &quot;no woman could let this pass by&quot;... I think I would have let a lot of controversial things pass by simply because the generalizations about women don&#039;t always apply to me.

I can&#039;t comment on diversity and equality and the like. Discrimination goes both ways, as you pointed out, and since I have no idea what goes on at Blizzard... maybe they make it a point to never hire women; maybe women simply don&#039;t apply.

This might get me a lynch mob, but my boyfriend is a programmer and he sometimes does interviews. He&#039;s told me several times that he/the company works for don&#039;t have any kind of problem with women, it&#039;s just that most of them simply aren&#039;t knowledgeable enough. Of course, there&#039;s always exceptions,  he knows brilliant woman programmers... they&#039;re just rarer than men. Maybe it&#039;s the same at Blizzard... maybe not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was refering more to the part about &#8220;no woman could let this pass by&#8221;&#8230; I think I would have let a lot of controversial things pass by simply because the generalizations about women don&#8217;t always apply to me.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment on diversity and equality and the like. Discrimination goes both ways, as you pointed out, and since I have no idea what goes on at Blizzard&#8230; maybe they make it a point to never hire women; maybe women simply don&#8217;t apply.</p>
<p>This might get me a lynch mob, but my boyfriend is a programmer and he sometimes does interviews. He&#8217;s told me several times that he/the company works for don&#8217;t have any kind of problem with women, it&#8217;s just that most of them simply aren&#8217;t knowledgeable enough. Of course, there&#8217;s always exceptions,  he knows brilliant woman programmers&#8230; they&#8217;re just rarer than men. Maybe it&#8217;s the same at Blizzard&#8230; maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: ReversionLFM</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1219</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah, I was thinking of Alexstraza]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, I was thinking of Alexstraza</p>
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		<title>By: ReversionLFM</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ReversionLFM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I was remembering Jaina wearing something that I can&#039;t find a shot of her in... so I am probably remembering wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I was remembering Jaina wearing something that I can&#8217;t find a shot of her in&#8230; so I am probably remembering wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: ReversionLFM</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1217</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t remember the exact wording of the question, but the impression of what she meant to ask stuck in my brain based on the full context of the subject of the panel and everything else... was this: Why can&#039;t we get some female NPC leader type characters that don&#039;t dress trashy.

Their answere was majorly dismissive and completely did not &#039;get&#039; what the issue was. 

I don&#039;t think &quot;there just aren’t women in the decision loop” is a generallization. We saw ZERO blizard employees that were women at the con. All through the panels were all the big tream leaders and people in charge of this or that. And every one of them was a 25-50 male.

Coming from a corporate environment, and being a white male, I am pretty grumpy about &#039;deviserity&#039; stuff. Mostly because I have seen actual management training videos at a company I use to work for where they explained (for managers eyes only) how they descriminated against white males to preferentually hire and promote women and minorities. In numerical quotas. It was revolting. So I tend to scoff at things that claim deversity of ideas as  the reason for being diverse in hiring. What the usually mean is deversity in skin color and gender. Which is quotas and such and just ends up being a different sort of wrong. But in Blizzard I see so many things that, darnit, just plain need a few woman to sanity check them.

Women tanking in belly-shirt armor? Don&#039;t have a problem with it.
Top heavy characters? Fine. Give people what they want.
supposidly strong female leaders standing around in their underwear? Why? Seriously, just why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember the exact wording of the question, but the impression of what she meant to ask stuck in my brain based on the full context of the subject of the panel and everything else&#8230; was this: Why can&#8217;t we get some female NPC leader type characters that don&#8217;t dress trashy.</p>
<p>Their answere was majorly dismissive and completely did not &#8216;get&#8217; what the issue was. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;there just aren’t women in the decision loop” is a generallization. We saw ZERO blizard employees that were women at the con. All through the panels were all the big tream leaders and people in charge of this or that. And every one of them was a 25-50 male.</p>
<p>Coming from a corporate environment, and being a white male, I am pretty grumpy about &#8216;deviserity&#8217; stuff. Mostly because I have seen actual management training videos at a company I use to work for where they explained (for managers eyes only) how they descriminated against white males to preferentually hire and promote women and minorities. In numerical quotas. It was revolting. So I tend to scoff at things that claim deversity of ideas as  the reason for being diverse in hiring. What the usually mean is deversity in skin color and gender. Which is quotas and such and just ends up being a different sort of wrong. But in Blizzard I see so many things that, darnit, just plain need a few woman to sanity check them.</p>
<p>Women tanking in belly-shirt armor? Don&#8217;t have a problem with it.<br />
Top heavy characters? Fine. Give people what they want.<br />
supposidly strong female leaders standing around in their underwear? Why? Seriously, just why?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://looking4more.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/blizzcon-takeaways/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t buy the stream, so I didn&#039;t actually see any of it. I did hear that a lot of the questions were pretty pointless... as a guildie put it, &quot;you have the opportunity to talk to a Blizzard developer and *that&#039;s* the best thing you can ask?&quot;

I don&#039;t have a problem with Jaina or Sylvanas... *shrug* Unless I&#039;m looking at a wrong picture, Jaina has a metal breastplate and some tummy showing, right? And Sylvanas is wearing the same thing as Alexstraza? (I don&#039;t play Horde.) Jaina is a mage, so she doesn&#039;t need a lot of armor to shield her, and Sylvanas looks pretty badass to me. It might just be me, but skimpy clothes make me very self-conscious and insecure IRL, so the fact that my characters can kick ass while wearing stuff like that is actually pretty cool.

(Some of the Vanilla armor was ridiculous though... someone linked a couple of pieces in guild chat and one of them was an actual metal bra... supported by magic, probably o.O)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t buy the stream, so I didn&#8217;t actually see any of it. I did hear that a lot of the questions were pretty pointless&#8230; as a guildie put it, &#8220;you have the opportunity to talk to a Blizzard developer and *that&#8217;s* the best thing you can ask?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with Jaina or Sylvanas&#8230; *shrug* Unless I&#8217;m looking at a wrong picture, Jaina has a metal breastplate and some tummy showing, right? And Sylvanas is wearing the same thing as Alexstraza? (I don&#8217;t play Horde.) Jaina is a mage, so she doesn&#8217;t need a lot of armor to shield her, and Sylvanas looks pretty badass to me. It might just be me, but skimpy clothes make me very self-conscious and insecure IRL, so the fact that my characters can kick ass while wearing stuff like that is actually pretty cool.</p>
<p>(Some of the Vanilla armor was ridiculous though&#8230; someone linked a couple of pieces in guild chat and one of them was an actual metal bra&#8230; supported by magic, probably o.O)</p>
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